You mean, of course, that you "couldn't" give a damn about the punctuation. It seems that neither can you "give a damn" about communicating accurately. As such, your praise is of little probative value, despite it having pleased Jim.
Making the comment you have in the way suggests an unnecessary aggression and a total misunderstanding of the exchange between myself and Jim. Your artifice in hypocritcally beginning with "no offense to anyone" and ending with "This is beautiful, Jim" is transparent.
It is also noticeable that you are not conversant with how to punctuate appropriately. The word "but" is a conjunction and the commas that you have inserted before and after it are unnecessary and oughtn't to be there. However, regardless of your doing it poorly, the fact that you have used punctuation marks in 5 places and of 3 different functions, shows that the need for punctuation has filtered through to you somehow.
"I have mostly learned from reading a bunch" - me too. You have learned much for you write well and your imaginary excursions into the past must be, I think, a fertile ground for more poems.
I would vote to leave out at least the commas. That being said I can generally get what the poet is trying to convey, and don’t really care about the specifics of punctuation. Nice picture by the way.
The correct use of punctuation is not a question of one's "vote". My original comment to Jim was not an insult or criticism but advice of a necessary correction which, were it not made, caused the poem to make no sense. So, whether you "care about the specifics of punctuation" or not, is irrelevant.
Incidentally, your comment ought to have a comma after "said" and does not need one after the conjunction "and". Presumably, however, you won't care about that.
Not trying to be picky or negative but you may wish to remove the inverted comma in 'painting's
for it ought just to be 'paintings' - an error the like of which I've often fallen into, myself, when I've become lost in the stream of consciusness ...
I see it now! I need to proof read more before I blast them out. How do you feel about periods and commas in poems? Sometimes it make more sense to write in full sentences, and some times more like this. It would be nice to take a creative writing course.
My view is that poems may or may not need punctuation! :-) No, I'm not trying to avoid answering. Punctuation, as you would be aware, exists to help the reader understand. To do so, it indicates (with a comma) where a pause is necessary to allow time for understanding of what came before or, for a dramatic effect, may use an exclamation mark. Where there needs to be a more substantial break, a period will be useful and then, of course, there are such things as quotation marks, apostrophes to mark possession and so on. In other words, punctuation serves in poetry exactly what it does in prose.
The difference, I think, is that aptly named 'poetic license', which can of course also be applied to prose.
I think what is critical in both prose and poetry, but particularly in the latter, is flow. Those who excel as poets will have the ability to slow or speed, pause, stop or restart the continuity by using meter, i.e. stress or no stress pattern on particular syllables.
As most of us, if I may be so bold as to say it, are not of the calibre of major poets, I would advise the use of punctuation rather than the absence of it, at least in most cases. (Free verse is something else, for instance, though personally I still consider it most effective when, where it assists the reader, punctuation is used.)
Hope that is of some help/interest to you - I don't claim any great expertise or knowledge - I just enjoy my attempts to write, whether prose or poetry, and to improve by continuing to learn, mostly by reading lots of work of others.
In that vein and given that you mentioned it, if you do wish to obtain some formal training, I would suggest you try:
though there are many other online courses. However, Coursera offers many courses that cost you nothing, or if you want certification a small cost, for participation and that are usually run by universities or other authorities. I haven't done a poetry course with them but they have many. I have done several other courses with them and all have been excellent.
Makes sense. It seems to me that longer poems verge on being prose and punctuation becomes necessary. A haiku really has no need for it and is effective without.
I'm glad it makes sense to you. At the same time, I think it is a mistake to consider the need for punctuation as being associated with the length of a poem. Certainly, that wasn't my point.
Long poems are very different from prose. Poetry, other than blank or free verse, has rhythm and that is provided by the accents on syllabus which conform to one type of meter or another. Prose has no such limitation..
I agree that Haiku rarely, if ever, will need punctuation and, in part, that is because it consists of only 3 lines but also because each line is, in effect, a statement or observation and, with only 5 or 7 syllables in a line there is little need for the pauses, stops and stress that punctuation provides.
I’m sorry, but none of this makes sense to me about all this punctuation and stuff when it’s the essence of the poem that matters oh should I have added punctuation to this sentence
I cannot account for your lack of comprehension. It could be that you haven't had the benefit of appropriate education or that it is simply that your language and literacy skills are poor. Another possibility is that your concept and understanding of poetry is limited. A still further possibility is that you have never understood the importance of grammar or punctuation to clear communication and, as a result, have come to view punctuation as unimportant or even 'a waste of time'.
To "make sense" of something one doesn't understand requires taking action to discover its purpose and how it fulfills that purpose. So, to answer your question, I suggest that you take a course in English language or at least read a book on the what, why and how of punctuation. After that, you may well be able to "make sense" not only of "punctuation and stuff" but also gain a better appreciation of poetry and "the essence" of whatever poems you read.
No offense to anyone, but, this is such a powerful piece to me that I could give a damn about the punctuation. This is beautiful, Jim!
Thanks dude!
You mean, of course, that you "couldn't" give a damn about the punctuation. It seems that neither can you "give a damn" about communicating accurately. As such, your praise is of little probative value, despite it having pleased Jim.
Making the comment you have in the way suggests an unnecessary aggression and a total misunderstanding of the exchange between myself and Jim. Your artifice in hypocritcally beginning with "no offense to anyone" and ending with "This is beautiful, Jim" is transparent.
It is also noticeable that you are not conversant with how to punctuate appropriately. The word "but" is a conjunction and the commas that you have inserted before and after it are unnecessary and oughtn't to be there. However, regardless of your doing it poorly, the fact that you have used punctuation marks in 5 places and of 3 different functions, shows that the need for punctuation has filtered through to you somehow.
Take care. Stay safe. ☮️
"I have mostly learned from reading a bunch" - me too. You have learned much for you write well and your imaginary excursions into the past must be, I think, a fertile ground for more poems.
Take care. Stay safe.
I would vote to leave out at least the commas. That being said I can generally get what the poet is trying to convey, and don’t really care about the specifics of punctuation. Nice picture by the way.
The correct use of punctuation is not a question of one's "vote". My original comment to Jim was not an insult or criticism but advice of a necessary correction which, were it not made, caused the poem to make no sense. So, whether you "care about the specifics of punctuation" or not, is irrelevant.
Incidentally, your comment ought to have a comma after "said" and does not need one after the conjunction "and". Presumably, however, you won't care about that.
Take care. Stay safe. ☮️
You would be correct. I don’t care.
Which only goes to show that you are unlikely to accurately comprehend very much. Indeed, it suggests little positive about your attitude, at all.
Yup…still don’t care.
Another moving effort, Jim.
Not trying to be picky or negative but you may wish to remove the inverted comma in 'painting's
for it ought just to be 'paintings' - an error the like of which I've often fallen into, myself, when I've become lost in the stream of consciusness ...
Take care. Stay safe. ☮️
I see it now! I need to proof read more before I blast them out. How do you feel about periods and commas in poems? Sometimes it make more sense to write in full sentences, and some times more like this. It would be nice to take a creative writing course.
My view is that poems may or may not need punctuation! :-) No, I'm not trying to avoid answering. Punctuation, as you would be aware, exists to help the reader understand. To do so, it indicates (with a comma) where a pause is necessary to allow time for understanding of what came before or, for a dramatic effect, may use an exclamation mark. Where there needs to be a more substantial break, a period will be useful and then, of course, there are such things as quotation marks, apostrophes to mark possession and so on. In other words, punctuation serves in poetry exactly what it does in prose.
The difference, I think, is that aptly named 'poetic license', which can of course also be applied to prose.
I think what is critical in both prose and poetry, but particularly in the latter, is flow. Those who excel as poets will have the ability to slow or speed, pause, stop or restart the continuity by using meter, i.e. stress or no stress pattern on particular syllables.
As most of us, if I may be so bold as to say it, are not of the calibre of major poets, I would advise the use of punctuation rather than the absence of it, at least in most cases. (Free verse is something else, for instance, though personally I still consider it most effective when, where it assists the reader, punctuation is used.)
Hope that is of some help/interest to you - I don't claim any great expertise or knowledge - I just enjoy my attempts to write, whether prose or poetry, and to improve by continuing to learn, mostly by reading lots of work of others.
In that vein and given that you mentioned it, if you do wish to obtain some formal training, I would suggest you try:
Coursera: https://www.coursera.org/search?query=poetry
though there are many other online courses. However, Coursera offers many courses that cost you nothing, or if you want certification a small cost, for participation and that are usually run by universities or other authorities. I haven't done a poetry course with them but they have many. I have done several other courses with them and all have been excellent.
Take care. Stay safe. ☮️
https://www.coursera.org/search?query=poetry
Makes sense. It seems to me that longer poems verge on being prose and punctuation becomes necessary. A haiku really has no need for it and is effective without.
I'm glad it makes sense to you. At the same time, I think it is a mistake to consider the need for punctuation as being associated with the length of a poem. Certainly, that wasn't my point.
Long poems are very different from prose. Poetry, other than blank or free verse, has rhythm and that is provided by the accents on syllabus which conform to one type of meter or another. Prose has no such limitation..
I agree that Haiku rarely, if ever, will need punctuation and, in part, that is because it consists of only 3 lines but also because each line is, in effect, a statement or observation and, with only 5 or 7 syllables in a line there is little need for the pauses, stops and stress that punctuation provides.
Take care. Stay safe.
I’m sorry, but none of this makes sense to me about all this punctuation and stuff when it’s the essence of the poem that matters oh should I have added punctuation to this sentence
I cannot account for your lack of comprehension. It could be that you haven't had the benefit of appropriate education or that it is simply that your language and literacy skills are poor. Another possibility is that your concept and understanding of poetry is limited. A still further possibility is that you have never understood the importance of grammar or punctuation to clear communication and, as a result, have come to view punctuation as unimportant or even 'a waste of time'.
To "make sense" of something one doesn't understand requires taking action to discover its purpose and how it fulfills that purpose. So, to answer your question, I suggest that you take a course in English language or at least read a book on the what, why and how of punctuation. After that, you may well be able to "make sense" not only of "punctuation and stuff" but also gain a better appreciation of poetry and "the essence" of whatever poems you read.
Take care. Stay safe. ☮️
O.k. enjoy your life of not caring and when something happens to you that's not good, just hope that someone else does care.